Saskatchewan and Alberta both have one of these places, I believe it would be extremely beneficial to have one open in Ontario. Another proposal I will be following up with.
I think if it was run by people who are not involved with the CAS's, it would help keep children being taken from their families needlesly. It shouldn't be a crime to be poor, children shouldn't be taken from their homes because houses are messy (who has time to have a spotless house when you're busy playing with your kids??) or two parents don't live togather, not to mention any other weak excuse the agency gives for taking children. A crisis nursery also provides help to parents- financial, social, counselling, etc. If it becomes apparent that the child's mother or father don't want the child or are abusive, then the CAS be called by the nursery staff.
Everyone needs help sometime, everyone needs a break and unfortunately, instead of helping families, CAS's are ripping them apart.
Please see the following link for information on the Saskatoon crisis nursery. I have no idea why Ontario doesn't have one, but then as we recently found out from Andre Marin the ombudsman, Ontario is far, far behind the rest of Canada with regards to our child welfare system!
http://www.sbcc.ca/cn.htm
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Kidman Didnt know what was happening.. If Someone would speak up for the Family people would know that Kidman was getting ready to leave his common law wife because she would no longer allow him anything to do with the Children, Or with anything in that house. He was asked to leave The Bottineau-Kidman house 2 or 3 times. For the reason Bottineau Wanted to move her New "lover" in. Kidman was told Everything the public are learning now. She would lie to him and anyone who asked Jeffrey and the other children were Always fine and for him to mind his own problems. It is not right that Kidman Cant say anything during this court trail!
The public says everyone should be charged but I dont see it that way, If your mother told you everything was good and she took the child to a doctor would you believe her? Would you call your mother a liar? I think we should hear something form someone else not just the police or doctors. I think I would like to hear something from someone living in that house like one of the Bottineau-Kidman Children. And I dont mean the one that claims she was treated the same way. One that was living there while this was happening.
You hear one side and everyone is ready to pass judgement, that is not right! I thougth in Canada it was innocent until proven guilty? or is that just a saying?
You have got to be joking me! I know you must be either Yvonne, Yvette or Tammy to say such stupid things! I pity NO ONE in that house! You are ALL guilty of child abuse and neglect, including Kidman and anyone else who knew what was going on but said and did NOTHING! You should ALL be charged with criminal negligence and if none of you are, well I firmly believe that what goes around comes around, and justice WILL be served one way or another!
I too would LOVE to hear from any of the Kidman/Bottineau children, but it seems I just have, so please.... enlighten me with what EXACTLY went on in that house of horrors!
If my mother was starving and neglecting my child, YES! I would call her a goddamn liar and rip that child out of her clutches so fast her head would spin... something you should have done.
Who CLAIMS she was treated the same way?? Are you seriously talking about Jeffrey's sister, J.B??? Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting she's a liar when she was physically starving when Jeffrey died and hated the bath because Kidman, the pervert monster, used to assault her in it?? My jaw is on the floor! Who ARE you???
They are NOT innocent of ANYTHING! They are so guilty, I don't even know why Canada is paying so much damn money to have this JOKE of a trial. They will rot in prison and if they don't, I hope they get worse than what Eve got on her way to court. I know for sure they will rot an eternity in hell!
You have balls suggesting innocence with anyone in that backwards family!
I would sure like to know who the dysfunctional member of the Kidman/Bottineau clan wrote that piece.
Or am I supposed to be so stupid as to not believe doctors, paramedics, coroners, nurses etc etc or were the scales lying? Give me a break.
There is one solution for that clan--you want your welfare cheque you go for sterilization.
Whoever wrote that Kidman was guilty of nothing is full of it. He (your father) raped Judy. Those are the facts.
May both Bottineau and Kidman rot in jail...one day they will be held accountable (as will you)as what goes around comes around.
If I may change the topic to Crisis Nurseries for a moment, they may be a very good idea. The one obstacle I see is that nurseries and daycares are part of a CAS pipeline that includes schools, hospitals, police, women's shelters, etc. Because these organizations are all required to report the mere suspicion of abuse or neglect and the anonymous public complaint process brings large numbers of families under CAS scrutiny, it's hard to say whether there would be a positive impact or not. If it was implemented in the same way that previous child-welfare issues have been handled by the Ontario government, it could lead thousands more lambs to the slaughter. On the other hand, if CAS was frozen out of the process, abuse accusations would drop dramatically. I think the idea has real potential and merits serious consideration.
I agree with the previous writer, the present legislation would make this crisis nursery concept unworkable. Parents would be labeling themselves as potential "child abusers."
I might add that the children who were removed from the Bottineau/Kidman home were the lucky ones.
Ms Bottineau is no fool, no idiot. She knew how to manipulate the system to her advantage. She obviously convinced someone, a friend???, at CCAS to give her a childcare job. Is this how she managed to acquire her grand children? Christie says this.
Friends and family of CAS workers have always received special treatment. There have a number of cases in my community where things were hushed because it involved the children of CAS workers. There are other cases wherein CAS workers used their own system to help their family members acquire custody in child custody matters before the Court. This reflects the biased and corrupt nature of the system
KIDMAN could have taken the stand!!!!!! His defence lawyer decided not to put him on the stand--this was not the courts decision.
I am sure the prosecutor would have had a field day questioning Kidman---unfortunately she did not have the opportunity.
You got to be kidding me - if you feel that Kidman or anyone living in the home do not notice the extreamly savage treatment of Jeffrey and his sister! Unless it is proven that they are all clinically blind. Then in my books they are all guily - Michael, Mills, Tammy, Yvette all of them. If Kidman was leaving his partner in crime then why were they passing love notes at the beginning of trial??? Why is he writing to Mr. Mills of how beautiful Elva looks in court. I'm sure sporting a black eye or two looks good on her too. In my books she should have sat in that courtroom bleeding and bruised from the beating she got ( which I sure was mild - compared to what Jeffrey got from that beast of a man Kidman) Elva should have been denied Hospital care as a taste of her own treatment of Jeffrey being denied medical attention.
I agree with previous post. If the remainder of the Kidman/bottineau clan wants any more welfare, it should be manditory to sterilize them.
THIS post has brought up to very serious questions, a crisis nursery, not unless, it was free of CAS,should parents, be willing to utilize it. Although if properly done, it is in the right direction. Parents need a safe way to solve everyday problems (that do not amount to risk to their children) with out fear. Going to a marriage councillor, is no longer safe if you have children, it can be used against you, even though it is the right thing to do for the couple and the children. Asking a social worker for help in a hospital, feeling stressed about a sick child, is not safe, stress because your child is ill, is a weakness, and will be used against you, and perhaps depending on how gung ho they are, twisted to mean something far more sinister. The CAS has made its plan known, they want children, they need abuse to continue, they need to embellish what risk and child maltreatment is, to ensure the industry grows, and supports the people involved. This to is clear to anyone with an IQ over 80. Is it child protection, no that would involved education, tolerance, empathy, diversity, common sense. Not erring on the side of caution, that does in itself cause a great deal of harm, and has given this government this Ministry this system the lack of respect it has earned, I don't know if they even see it.To bogged down in the line they are being feed. They to need to educate their members. Speak to people who have dealt with the agencies. Speak to the doctors that have dealt with the agency, the lawyers, and not the law firms hired by the CAS, and not the doctors with conflict of interest, would they have jobs if child abuse was eradicated . NO, they did not have enough children in care when risk level and the standard to which they could get involved and remove children were set higher, now its lower and children are dying in care, families are heartbroken, children missing mommy and daddy all because this system does NOT WORK< SCARP IT. rewrite it. In the name of the children that have died. In the hopes of saving many from the same fate.I am not just an angry mom that had to deal with them, I saw the level of bull shit, I now share it with one of the best law firm in this country. We are looking at a class action suite, to many times same old tricks. its a pattern, and the hospitals that allow, look the other way should also be held liable, the Social Workers collage my be lackeys but the doctor collage is NOT. Child Maltreatment, is wrong, I have little patience for anyone that believes spanking a child is anything but abusive, anyone over the age of 20 was most likely spanked, I was, it did not kill me, my parents loved me, and I knew that, it was an acceptable means of discipline, would I spank my child, no, I don't see the point in it, in hitting anyone, and I don't want her to think hitting is ok, besides my child of course is an perfect, lol. But she has been for time outs,(and even god forbid, they will take her right away,) I have even taken her privileges away from time to time.and yes ask her to pick up her toys. She is at Risk for all the things according to that article, the foster mother did, in order to teach the children self discipline, and belonging, children feel secure knowing they have boundary's, Not locked in a room a dog cage, beatings, starved, screamed your no good, or belittling them, most parents KNOW THIS. Does the government think that we are all abusers, look at the numbers of files opened, it damaging, its also costly and not cost effective. It is not eliminating the problem, it is growing, why its feeding the monster of the Child protection industry. We can not teach are children?? We can not advocate for them either, that's seen depending on the level your advocating as trouble, and any parent out their understands with all the cuts in services, the Ontario medical profession still dysfunctional and angry from there loss in potential pensions, ( badly invested) now they have a wing and a prayer to make enough to retire on. many will need to work well beyond 60. By the Caps on billing, they need to see many patents in such a short time, they have families as well, but its an angry group right now, and not hard to see. They are reporting suspicion of child abuse, when parents give them a hard time. ask around. I have gathered many names. Others doctors threatened by young CAS workers, trying to get names of families where no abuse has occurred, I have two such letters. Both doctor had were threatened, by young social workers to have there licence to practice removed. WHAT?? no wonder Ontario cannot attract doctors, no wonder so many people are with out GPs, wait time, who would want to practice under this government. Ontario is also one of the most polluted provinces,more lead and mercury being dumped in the air then should ever be allowed, metals make people sick, they make them toxic, its been proven that lead causes juvenile delinquency. read the papers the most polluted cities have the most crime, connect the dots, its not hard. The money being thrown away to gather children, could be spent protecting them. If we had a government that cared about them. Clean up, watch the levels of violence of all kinds drop, create jobs cleaning up the environment, not child protection, we have enough of them, perhaps we could put a huge dent in the numbers of real child abuse, by helping families with housing, addressing poverty. addressing the environment. It is much easier to just shut the public up on the hard issues by removing their children, and injecting all this money in ways to continue the abuse of the system, THINK there will be revolt. if not on your term, on someone else's, is this what is in the best interest of children. This government I supported is NOT. Even Paul Martin with all the liberal parties scandals, is keeping his distance from Ontario's premier and his lackey appointees. BOY I FEEL BITTER TODAY ALL THAT GST I JUST PAID SHOPPING. laughing at myself.
We need NEED, to be sure parents, can look for solutions, that do not jeopardize losing children. More importantly that children, are not further traumatized by losing their parents.
Go to any city part, walk around even the best areas, of the towns, and cities, we live in on a summer day, parents raise their voice to children, YOUR TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD, your NOT riding that bike again Till YOU PUT YOUR HELMUT ON. Stop Hitting your SISTER, OK IN THE HOUSE IF YOU WONT STOP THIS OR THAT. its so common ,Its mothers dads, sitters, nanny's, Teachers, why do teachers yell at a full classroom of very young students, daily all across this province, and more, two years ago my child had a teacher ,that was just back from mental health leave, and left a 7 year old in the coat cubby for the day, she forgot she sent him, another child nose to the board, for TWO weeks for taking in class, till his father, got wind of it, and put an end to the harsh punishment, she abused more then 20 children for two years, there was NOTHING the parents could do, and they tried, all of them. to stop the abuse of our children in that class, the teacher was on probation, but the board protected her, I even called CAS, they could not help. they only go after parents, well she was having a baby, we all said poor baby. History of mental health issues, on going problems, yet allowed to be with children for 6 hours a day. we all know this is common.
Yet look what that foster mother, got for doing the right thing. parenting. How dare her have hopes, and dreams, for three children!!!!! Please. The system is looking for children, looking for abuse, where none exists. When clearly CLEARLY they know of terrible abuse, often they turn and refuse to act. Then a child dies, on their watch, and WHAT happens, they go get more money and take more children, its a cycle, it does not work.
The average social worker, has about as much common sense as a slug, and integrity, well! I would not trust one, as far as a slug can jump.
As far as the family that abused Jeffery, Killed that child, tried to kill them all if not physically, they sure made it clear that the children, where no more then a check to cash, much like the CAS and CCAS. perhaps that's why the CCAS did nothing, they operated much the same, children equal a pay check.
Everyone involved is guilty. In Canada we have a good citizens act, It means ( try to put this simply for that clan, if they read at all.
If you pass by a person in need, and do nothing, i.e.. a women being assaulted, a child being harmed, a person in need of urgent medical care, as Canadian citizens we have a duty to help. Jeffery was not seen in the park, he was not seen on the street playing, did he have a bike? a Club Scouts group to belong to, playmates, hugs and kisses, bed time story's, NO HE DID NOT EVEN HAVE FOOD, CLEAN WATER, HE DID NOT HAVE CLEAN CLOTHS, A SAFE ROOF OVER HIS HEAD, HE HAD LESS THEN THE SPCA, MANAGES TO ENSURE, ABOUT A CAT, OR DOG. THEY ADOPT OUT, BY MAKING ENQUIRY'S, INTO THE PLACEMENT, PEOPLE, AND CARE, THE ANIMALS WILL RECEIVE, the children protection industry could learn a thing or two from spending a few hours at an animal shelter, on how to ensure other peoples children are being sent to decent homes. Sad but true. if Jeffery and his siblings, were a litter of puppy's, it would have made headlines, for the abuse , the trail would have been swift, the puppy milled closed for good, it would have been noted that the abusers of the pets would no longer be allowed to have animals, in their so called care. The abused animals would perhaps be nurtured to ensure the abuse they endured would not be carried out again, this clan should have been neutered. I find some of my own opinions, changing I strongly support human right, yet feel this family is not even human, god forgive me.
The Children are not given the same rights as a cat, or a dog left out to bark in the cold, or without water on a hot day, Animal Rights Groups rescue animals daily, they fine the owner and often remove a pet lock in a hot car, and they should. Why is there MORE OUT CRY FOR THE RIGHTS OF ANIMALS IN SOCIETY THEN CHILDREN. IF the SPCA caused the kind of horror by putting a German Shepard into a family like that, and it was abused starved to death, left in its own waste. They would never hear the end of it. Anyone anyone, even with an IQ of 60 or less! is capable of kindness, they knew there was something very wrong with this family. And to watch it, know of it, sense it, should have acted.
Its not only law, its common human decency, sorely missing in society today. Why after removing the first two children, were they allowed to keep the others? many many things went wrong here, was Evil Elva blowing some one at CCAS.
Amanda is correct, and your post does not belong here, its offensive, this is a site that honours the children, hopes to make change, hopes to bring dignity in the name of protecting children, in the name of Jeffery Baldwin. God bless him and Amanda's Courage, Christies dedication, and those that have taken the time to be true advocates for all children, and family's. monsters need not post. Leave the site for the respect of what it stands for please, yours is not an opinion given with much thought, or concern for the matters and goals this women has given her time to address. You owe Amanda an apology. And yes I think to much, perhaps you should try just thinking a little bit, I am not trying to be unkind, but point out to you that no one in that home was innocent. Its not possible.
Minister's order to cease activity
23. (1) Where the Minister is of the opinion, upon reasonable grounds, that an activity carried on, or the manner of carrying on an activity, in the course of the provision of an approved service is causing or is likely to cause harm to a person's health, safety or welfare, the Minister may by order require the service provider to suspend or cease the activity and may take such other action as the Minister deems to be in the best interests of the persons receiving the approved service
this was taken off the E Laws of Ont. Perhaps Ms Chambers should read it, The agencys are NOT acting in the BEST interest of ANYONE, how many funerals of children in care does it take, How many parents in the Provence cry out for help, many more are living in fear, Fear of a charitable org. We dont want there services, We have a right to say no dont we?? No they come with the police and break down doors, they go to schools and take children, they come smiling and say they just want to speak with you and spouse, write up that your dinner dishes are not done, as if this is a life and death situation, and remove the child for a messy house, ten minutes after dinner. not so!!! ask around. Why did they come, because Johnny or Susie, wrote in a note book at school,he is mad at his family, because he is grounded, for pinching Susie. High Risk of sexual abuse. yes this is how it might read, it depends where Johnny pinched Suzie. Or they have come because the old women next door, does not like your children playing loudly in the back yard, or your ex is angry because you got the custody of the dog, or his mother has always said he should have married the nice jewish girl, and oh vey look she is now taking the princess to a chruch, High Risk of emotianl harm.
Maybe you told your husband rather loudy that he plays golf every weekend, and went off to bed, CAS arrive in the morning , the cute blonde that lives next door has always wanted to sleep with your husband, golf clubs and all, she has her own balls, but CAS is ready to T off, and take your 4 children for domestic violence, High risk of becoming a nag like mom, or a lousy golf player. Then again they might get a call because a 2 year old is seen every morning walking down a busy street, half dressed, often just in a diaper, comes to the houses she has seen children at, and ask for something to eat, or mummbles mommy sleeping, joe sex my bum, and you call the CAS, like you have many times before, your childrens friends mothers tell you they have as well, we all wait as we watch for the toddler now early in the morning scared she will be hit by a car, on her way looking for food, warmth, dreading whats happening to her, as you take her home after feeding her, to bang on the door and agin she is so sorry, she was at a party last night, and little one got out again, ya know, No I dont know, my toddler does not get out of are sight, never mind look for food and walk down a busy street, and you dont ask about Joe, Call the CAS again, this house is a mess it wreaks of booze, bodys sleeping all over the place, and a little girl making her way out, This is a true story, it was I who called, it was my friend who also called , and 4 other people that had seen this child repeat this for over a year. Where was CAS???? Where was CAS the day she got hurt at the park pool, with no parent to watch her, she was 3 years old. Mom was not there, CAS did not come, or did they and leave this baby this child that every parent in the area had concerns. What happened we could not wait for CAS anymore, the child was now hurt, we talked to mother, we talked to a paster, a minister, each other, and we raised the money to send mom to treatment, we Not CAS that never protected this baby, sent mom for help, and told her the child would be taken care of by a family she called on most mornings, till mom was better, the toddler would not be coming home, NOT CAS they left this child, this was a real case, not one they bother with I guess, Mom came back, she rented a 2 bedroom apt. She made a friends, we wanted to help. We all wanted to help, people drove her to AA meetings, people including myself took care of the child, took her to the play groups, kinder music. took her to see mom, daily. its been more the 8 years since we all made frantic calls to CAS, thinking they would help. Today mom is still sober, I hear, and the toddler, is alive and well and happy to live with her mom with many others around that treat her like family. CAS did not do anything. CAS is not who I would call today, we all know better. But I can sleep at night knowing the child is safe, and her mother is still attending meetings and she and her child have the support of a few familys she came calling on many years ago.
Do we need CAS, I dont think so. they have so much to hide, so does this Minister.
I think that the person who wrote the first comment on here was Yvonne. She is uneducated and as worthless as her own mother. Yvonne you might remember me, Lisa Burns. I'm the person who will never let you forget that this whole thing wouldn't have happened if you weren't such a wothless mother as your own was. Do you remember the first time I mentioned to you about your mother at M's first Birthday at Mc Donalds? She was getting her to call her "mom", I told you to stand up and be a mother to her and take parenting classes so that you and Richard could get her back. You didn't try to better yourself at all, instead you had 2 more children to add to the clan, you lost them because you wanted a new gold necklace from the shoppe downtown and your welfare cheque wasn't ready fast enough. You took your anger out on Jeffrey , throwing him in to his stroller on top of J. And then you gave birth to another child that you didn't even get the chance to Fuck up like you did to the other 3. Instead he has been wired like your mom and dad, how appropriate. I remember that Jeffrey was suppose to be the all to end all, but he was already damaged goods in your parents eyes. So the new baby took their hearts and Jeffrey and J were left in the hole while J was placed up on a throne (a demented one). It wasn't so shocking to hear that you and Richard are still seeding the world with children that you can't take care of, I know in my heart that R Jr won't ever be in your custody, the agency can't take a chance and fuck up again can they? I hope that you respond to this Yvonne with some uneducated and useless banter as it will show everyone just how much you are like your own mother. Now that you know that your mother killed your oldest sister and your own son just how are you feeling about not stepping up to the plate and taking responsibility for your own children? Get Jeffrey off your dresser and place him somewhere for all the people who care so we can pray for him, he doesn't belong to you, he never did.
To Lisa Burns: I hope Yvonne responds. I agree it is her who wrote that piece.
As I said before sterilizaion is the only solution.....what I want answers to is how is Yvonne collecting welfare (as a single mom) while Richard is working? Of corse the readers know how that is possible--fraud. Bottineau taught her daughters well.
I really want to know why Yvonne and Richard are allowed visitation with their latest baby but not with the previous 3 before him? What message are we sending? Is the latest baby somehow inferior? Or does CCAS see Jeffrey's death as a "clean slate"?
The fact of the matter is these 2 will never be fit parents--even with classes. How can Yvonne know how to parent with a mother like hers? I refuse to comment on Richard but I have reservations there also.
Snip and sterilize is the solution.
Now that the other three children are "crown wards", Richard and Yvonne are no longer permitted to have visitation with them. They are having visitation with R Jr because they still might have a chance to have custody of him. Your right, Yvonne is every bit her mother and should never be left with a child or be able to give birth to another child ever. I think the girl she was refering to was her older sister who was removed as a child, not J. I don't really know what to say for Richard, he was raised by a good mother but had a crappy father. He is very child like in his ways and very naive to the real world. He has been brain washed by the best and see's no true way out. I have offered many times to help Richard get out of the situation he is in (I'm not the only one) he seems eager to do it and has a lot of negitive stuff to say about Yvonne but he never follows through with his plans. The latest plan was for him to leave after the trial, but then he turned around and told someone else that he will never leave her, he loves her. It's sad really he has a very supportive and smart younger brother who would probably help him if he asked or was serious about leaving the situation. Even after seeing the photos of Yvonne and Richard with all 4 of the kids It befuddles me how neither one of them noticed their plump son turn in to a string bean and look as sick as he did. I hope that in the end they are forced to never have children again and that they recieved proper mental health services, as they are both entitled to it being on welfare.
None of this family should be allowed welfare! Get a JOB! James Mills is also on welfare and although very stupid and mean, he could also get a job, though I'm very happy to say he'll NEVER be allowed around children now that he's a registered child abuser! Absolutely NO good has come out of any of this family being alive except four beautiful children that they have damaged hopefully not beyond repair. There is so much pain and evil, mandatory sterilization SHOULD be enforced, though we know it never will be because it would be against human rights... what about the rights of tortured and abused children? What about the rights of society to not have burden after burden placed on us?? Can you imagine just how stellar social programs for children, the physically and mentally challanged and our health care system would be if welfare was CUT for people who are ABLE to work but choose not to like the entire Bottineau/ Kidman clan. It infuriates me beyond words...
What Family YOU TALKING ABOUT AMANDA,I hope the Kidman and Bottineau family!!!!!!!You will not find ANYONE on WELFARE on Richards side.And I would appreciate you not talking bad about Sue and her Family again.THANKYOU
Of course Kidman Bottineau!
Who are you anyways??
The nut doesnt fall too far from the tree.......
If Richard is such a well-raised decent person why would he have ben attracted to that white-trash Bottinea/Kidman clan?
Oh Please, you don't know to much about life. GET REAL.Like I said you JUGDES know NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!ELAYNE
Elayne, grow up, you are on welfare and keep producing more children then you need to. Get off of this site unless you have something intelligent and productive to say. And to say that we don't know anything, we understand more then you ever will. We are educated and are raising our children while working and learning the ropes of life. You on the other hand know nothing of life except how to have children and work the system, no education or even the remote want for anything better.
See you no nothing, Lisa I know it's you . I'm NOT on Welfare you are I am self employed and married my 5 kids are my husbands ,I own my own house and MY kids are WELL taken care of.Can't wait to see you Lisa
Well Elayne, It wasn't me who wrote that but if you want to take it there. I am not on welfare, I own my house plus rental properties. My husband has his own businesses and I work a very demanding job. But if you think you know me so well then you would know that my children are very well taken care of, I brush their hair and make them dress appropriate for the weather and they have their own rooms ( all 4 of them) Get a life. I am only responding to this one time only as this site is for Jeffrey and not about you and your problems!
GOOD FOR YOU LISA,and SOMEONE TOLD ME IT WAS YOU SO WHATEVER.
ENOUGH!! Seriously, I will block you all or move the site. You have missed the point of this blog. I'm not posting until the trial resumes, and if you have nothing of value to say, don't! You are getting nasty and this blog will lose people who have something of merit to offer, so enough!
Amanda
Sorry Amanda your right I have got caught up in the B.S. I want to thank you all for what you all are doing.Elayne
you ppl are sick.I do agree the grandparents are sick and need to be taught a lesson but the daughters whom I know personally (and No I am not one of them)are not blind or dumb but they were raised with a very strict hand (physically strict) and raised in such a way that they had no choice but to believe their parents every word. So as they grew up they believed every word told to them. When their mother then told that two of the grandchildren where retard and that they were seeing a dr they believed her. What else were they suppose to? Do you know how remorsefull these girls are feeling because they didn't do anything, I know one of the girls is tortured by it every day.
Good! I sincerely hope both 'aunts' are tortured by it everyday for the rest of their lives. It's not enough as far as I'm concerned, they should all four other adults be in prison with the grandparents, but I know that will never happen in good ol' Canada where criminals have more rights than victims. I hope they are physically ill every day for what they could have prevented; a child's death.
I'm happy that James Mills name is on the child abuse registry, hopefully after the trial finishes and the inquest begins, the other three adults names will be added as well. I know for a fact Mills is on welfare and I wouldn't be surprised if Tammy, Michael and Yvette were also. How fair is it that we're supporting kid killers??
The whole Bottineau/ Kidman clan is total white trash and should be erased from this earth. Let me make myself clear here before people respond negatively to this comment; there is a HUGE difference between being white trash and being poor. I'm poor, but I have a job and a lot of class, so please don't mistake what I'm saying.
Jeffrey's blood is on all their hands and has stained for life. I wish I knew where I could find Tammy, James, Michael and Yvette. I'd love to show them what darkness and hunger was. I'd starve them to death- (though it would take a long time cause they're so fat!) what ever happened to an eye for an eye??
That comment about knowing the daughters,YOU MUST BE SICK.You probally are Yvette.Well did you know "friend" of Yvette that Auntie Yvette called them PIGS,and also beat them with silver spoons(the bigs ones)and many others things as well,so if Mama Elva told you they were "retards"that means beat them,torture them,sexually abuse them,lock them up and show no Love, no mercy.There is nothing wrong with kids who are retard,they are very wonderful people,how dare you.And how can they belive their mom when she said she took them to a doctor,they were around their mom all the time.James said in court that he said many times take Jeffrey to a doctor and she said DON'T WORRY and the rest of you ppl didn't bother you were to busy eating your FAT ASSES OFF!!!!!!!!!!So don't tell us they "didn't know"they all knew even RICHARD AND YVONNE.
This white trash family (Bottineau and Kidman) and their "boyfriends" will stick together until death. They dont have a social network outside of each other and boyfriends are picked up on the internet--Just like MAMA ELVA!!!
The reason nobody took the stand in their defence is because nobody has anything to do with them other than the person who was blindsided by elva.
And who was that Yvonne papa Kidman?
Your question makes no sense.
Who was blindsided was the question!"papa Kidman"?
I was referring to the Kidman neighbors who wrote letters about how great grandma Bottineau was (to CCAS)This neighbor was fooled by Bottineau--she now knows the difference
By the way "papa kidmans" name is not Yvonne--that is his lovely daughters name--Jeffreys mother
I read in todays paper that even in death Jeffrey suffered an indignity.
His remains were "Mixed" with another baby who "white trash Yvonne" miscarried.....
I know for a fact welfare would have covered the cost (or CCAS) of at least an urn....but then again "white trash Yvonne" could have pawned off the gold necklace she was buying the day Jeffrey was first abused and used that money to buy an INEXPENSIVE URN.
This family is beyond disgusting....poor little Jeffrey he has finally found peace. If only he knew of all the strangers who cared about him and were trying to change the system in his name.
May little Jeffrey rest in peace. May the entire Bottineau/Kidman clan NEVER know peace. Hopefully they will suffer one day and NOBODY will come to their aid.....What goes around comes around.
Yvette did nothing?????? that is not what one of Jeffreys siblings told the police.....somehow I believe this child over these "horrible monsters" that breathe the same air as me!
One cannot do this to others and get away with it....perhaps the courts will free them but a higher power will take over from there.
Well what he didn't say that before Christmas I met Richard and Yvonne with my husband at the funeral home after their visit with R,jr and an URN was purchased for Jeffrey and the stillborn.What killed me is the stillborn had a very beautiful and expensive URN while JEFFREY was in a grey box.I am so @$*%#@& upset.Elayne
is there something your missing, Jeffery being mixed with white trash of the stillborn baby's ashes, yes very distasteful, but Jeffery was also this women's natural child.
It as if Jeffery was not a member of this family, he was, and as repugnant they seem to all of us, and I agree they this is a sordid bunch, what more did anyone expect her to do with the ashes. She does not have it in her. At least he is at peace. My concerns are with the children still living. Can they find peace in life.
And not become the sordid charters of their biological makeup, and thus far life modeling.
It would appear you dont get it.
While the stillborn baby had a beautiful urn for his ashes Jeffreys were mixed with his with the remainder being left in a grey box. Jeffrey should have had his own urn. This is the "norm" unless they were twins.
She was the "natural mother" all right......as incompetent, unloving and abusive as she was she was the "natural".
She should be a poster girl for sterilization.
Well people they had to be mixed because ELVA and YVONNE mixed them , so I was trying to get an urn so Jeffrey wouldn't be in two diffrent places.And if it wasn't for our side pushing them he would still be in the two.So you don't get it.Elayne(why don't you write your name,it's easy to talk when your anonymous)
Elayne: I was not criticizing you for what you did. I am unsure why you are thinking this.
I was merely commenting on the fact that Jeffrey's remains were mixed with another childs remains. I realize you stated you bought an urn for Jeffreys remains and that you had NO say in what hapenned to Jeffreys remains.
At no time did I blame you for the outcome of Jeffreys remains. The control of Jeffreys remains would have been with the grandmother and mother from hell.
At no time did I criticize you--in fact you should be commended for buying an urn.
The stress of everything is getting to me,I need to relax. Just some of the comments on this blog have been attacking the wrong people.I'm with Amanda and all she is doing to fight for what's right and in JEFFREY'S name.Thankyou.
I agree that most of the fore-going is upsetting. Would it be a small consolation to remark that some of Jeffrey's ashes are mingled with those of a baby brother who never had the chance to be born. This baby was never unkind or cruel to Jeffrey, I am sure that he and Jeffrey would have been great pals if life had given them the chance. They are together for eternity now. Perhaps the remainder of Jeffrey's ashes (in the grey box) can be placed at the memorial tree in Greenwood Park. This is Jeffrey's only memorial, thanks to Amanda. In this way a part of Jeffrey will always hear the bird-song in Spring and Summer, and the voices of children playing on the nearby swings.
Therese.
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