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Wednesday, April 12, 2006

RE: Plaque

I can not move installing the plaque to the Spring because of a few reasons, however, if someone else would like to be 'in charge' of organizing this, I will certainly hand over the plaque. Please let me know and please remember I have very limited internet access so may not respond as quickly...
Thanks

35 comments:

tash said...

Hi Amanda,

I live around the corner from the park and would be happy to help out in anyway I can.

Anonymous said...

Have you decided to approach the paternal family, perhaps they would be honoured if asked, no?

Anonymous said...

Do not ask paternal family to be involved here. I frankly have problems with them. Firstly, Richard is as guilty of murder as them all, and secondly, if there was any question that I could not see my child or grandchild I would fight tooth and nail to make my best attempt to have some contact established. I cannot fathom why nobody in the paternal family did so - aprt from Ms. Dimitriadis saying it was "too expensive" to fight. I beg to differ. Where there is a will, there is a way. Had she or others in the paternal family tried, even in a modest way to access Jeffrey, they would have discovered a plethora of services available either pro bono or publicly funded to assist in such a case. I cannot let their lack of any effort on Jeffrey's behalf just slide.

If you wish, I will be available to do the new plaque ceremony in the spring. Please advise if you are willing and I will correspond directly with you thereafter.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the last poster.

Well said--it is obvious Richard's involvement.

Anonymous said...

You people are as sick as "the clan"We did fight tooth and nail,if Richard would of been on our side we would of had a chance.Please if we had any clue I would of busted down that door myself.And if you have a problem with me I will be there so bring it!Elayne

Anonymous said...

And second of all we all think and know Richard knew lots more then he let us know we all HATE him dearly!Elayne

Anonymous said...

I stand by Elayne in her comments mentioned above. Richard has been removed from the family many years ago when he first signed over his eldest daughter. His mother could not fathom what he had done and for whatever reason. He had not bothered to include his mother in any decision made.

It volleyed from that point where his mother had to fight the CCAS to see her grandchildren who we all know, we not helpful at all. Standing up to Bottineau and Kidman was a hard enough battle for Richard's mother.

I once seen all the children together many years ago (before the last child was born) and because I was in public, I got the nerve to speak with the eldest child. I explained that I knew her parents and that I was her auntie's best friend and that was cut short by a very intimidating and disgusting Bottineau. If Richard's mother had any way of seeing the children it would have been due to the result of a physical fight. She had brought Christmas presents over for the children and Bottineau wouldn't let her on the porch.

Please do not pick on the paternal family, pick on Richard all you want, he deserves it.
JULIE

Anonymous said...

also.... the paternal family is mourning and have been mourning for years. There was no burial and a respectful burial is what is needed. A memorial plaque to be lain down for Jeffrey at the memorial spot would provide a place to remember Jeffrey...
JULIE

Anonymous said...

Amanda had asked who would like to take over the plaque and someone suggested a member of the paternal family....why not? It is a plausible idea. I am certain Richard will not be there.

Anonymous said...

To Tash and others that live near the park:

A poster previously suggested re-naming the park in Jeffrey's memory which is a wonderful idea in view of the plaque.

Assuming you like this idea, my suggestion to you is to gather names of community residents in your area requesting such a change. This could be done through a circular put out by your municipal representative or distributed door to door or an item (with response coupon) if you have a cooperative community newspaper. In other words, it need not cost a lot of money to gather the signatures - or you yourself may have better and more cost-efficient ideas. Personally, I think renaming the park would be a perennial reminder of Jeffrey - as well as the current need to revamp this system. Ultimately, it would become a symbol of historic value - either a system scrapped as barbaric or a system that is honest, transparent,and accountable.

Tash said...

Actually we have just formed a Resident's Association that covers Greenwood Park, on the West over to Coxwell on the East, on the North the railway tracks and the southern boundary is Dundas - to begin with. I imagine the boundaries will expand over time.

I'm actually Chair (I also have a co-chair, Paul) for the Association and I think that is intiative we would love to take on and try and get the park renamed.

If anyone that reads this blog wishes to be involved in the RA - please email at tash@abstrakt.org please. Our next meeting is scheduled for May 1st at 7:00pm, location TBA.

Thanks

ph said...

Amanda, I willing to help in the organization of a Spring plaque cermenony at Greenwood Park.

Anonymous said...

Please explain what you mean by you did fight tooth and nail, Elayne. You do not provide any explanation of what you or anyone else in the paternal family's allged fight for Jeffrey consisted of. I am extremely interested to know.

Anonymous said...

Please explain what you mean by you did fight tooth and nail, Elayne. You do not provide any explanation of what you or anyone else in the paternal family's allged fight for Jeffrey consisted of. I am extremely interested to know.

Anonymous said...

Well I have already explained time and time again on this blog,who are you anyway?We didn't just start when the trial started we have be fighting for the last 12 years!!!!!!!!!Trying to get Lawyers to help ,phoning Margirta all the time ,phoning Elva,going to her house. Many things, don't judge us !!!since Richard met Yvonne he left his family!!!and if you still have a problem with us like you said I'll be at the sentencing come.identify yourself! Elayne

Anonymous said...

And some people think we knew how Jeffrey was treated we DIDNOT,we weren't allowed to see him or the other children if you have been following Elva kept him from everyone!!!My family and I are grieving very much,please leave us alone by taking it out on us you let the real murders off the hook who are Elva,Norman,Richard,Yvonne,Yvette,Tammy,Mike,James,and Margirta.

Jeffrey's Law said...

RE: Paternal family,
They said they would like me to finish what I started which is extremelyvalid, I'm sure many of you may be feeling this way, however, due to my being at school, 4 hours away, (and living on an extremely, extremely low budget) I just can not until late summer or sometime after.

Anonymous said...

The posts against Jeffrey's paternal grandmother are unfair. This lady should not be blamed for a situation she had no knowledge of, particularly when she her efforts to see Jeffrey were cruelly rebuffed by both CAS and the other grandparents.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the last post about Jeffrey's paternal grandmother.
JULIE

Anonymous said...

Elayne, what you have described as alleged efforts by paternal family are frankly extremely weak and devoid of detail. What lawyer(s) were consulted and retained? What legal clinics did you attend at? What MPPs did you write to? What advocacy groups did you contact? etc. etc.

A telephone call or two to Elva or CCAS does not cut it. I have reviewed this blog extensively and have never seen any iota of an explanation of the paternal family's actions on Jeffrey's behalf. If I am in error, please reprint your professed explanations again, I apologize for any "inconvenience" this may cause you.

I find it difficult in the extreme, to believe that Ms. Dimitriadis and the rest of the paternal family had no advice from Richard about what was going on in that house or alternatively I must conclude that they were willfully blind to a criminal degree.

Another question I have, is how did Ms. Dimitriadis' son Richard get to such a state where he purportedly did not communicate with his mother and stood by to let Jeffrey die - the apple cannot fall far from tree.

My goal is not to let any of the others in Jeffrey's house get off the hook. Rather, it is not to let ANYBODY off the hook for this immense tragedy and whether you like it or not, it includes the extended paternal family's failures.

It seems that just like the materal family, nobody in the paternal family wishes to own up to anything other than they were perfect.

Let's see some humility here, you owe it to yourself if not the public.

Anonymous said...

I don't know if the person that doubts the sincerity of the paternal family realizes it, but Matthew Reid's grandmother complained vigorously to CAS and the Minister about known sexual abuse Matthew was subjected to in the months before he died. She was completely ignored. Those who have had contact with the system (and particularly with CAS) will tell you it consistently refuses to respond to any concerns it doesn't want to deal with. Phone calls and letters are ignored. Their own internal complaints committees (carefully selected so the public is denied representation) turn a blind eye to horrendous negligence and abuse. Dirty tricks are continual, meetings are cancelled without notice, etc. etc. etc.

As one CAS lawyer told me, "truth is only a position until a judge agrees with you." CAS plays this legalistic game to the hilt, abusing its victims at will and refusing to stop even when it knows it's wrong - until it's called to account by a judge. This rarely happens due to the peculiarities of the system.

When people first encounter CAS, they know none of this. They are completely befuddled by CAS refusal to do the right thing - what any normal person with an interest in children would do.

Other segments of the child welfare industry are in bed with CAS and react in the same way. Police won't intercede, lawyers describe their situation as hopeless, etc.

If you press your concerns too far you place yourself in the line of fire and may risk losing your kids. This actually happened today - my community newpaper reported that local police admitted to threatening a mom (an anti-CAS crusader) with jail if she didn't turn over her daughter immediately - even though the agency had no grounds to seize the child.

I say all this to suggest that members of the paternal family should not be hatefully vilified as though they failed at some obvious and easily accomplished task. Dealing with CAS is like dealing with kidnappers. I have little doubt they experienced tremendous stress, sadness, feelings of futility and injustice - just like anyone that deals with this system does.

Anonymous said...

I am not suggesting that a good result is ever easy to accomplish. The last poster is obviously unable to comprehend that what was required from the paternal family was their genuine best effort to get results vis Jeffrey, but there is no evidence that they did so.

If the paternal family had done everything humanly possible to seek out Jeffrey, and still were not able to see him, I would not have any quarrel with them. But that is obviously VERY FAR from the case.

Anonymous said...

You think what you what people who know us know what we did I don't owe anyone nothing and I will not stop to your level again goodbye ramble all you want and put the blame on whoever you want you are not worth it!

Anonymous said...

You think what you what people who know us know what we did I don't owe anyone nothing and I will not stop to your level again goodbye ramble all you want and put the blame on whoever you want you are not worth it!

Anonymous said...

You think what you what people who know us know what we did I don't owe anyone nothing and I will not stop to your level again goodbye ramble all you want and put the blame on whoever you want you are not worth it!

Anonymous said...

Whoever wrote this last post obviously has nothing to say which can possibly support their cause. It is obvious that you are complicit with the murders. Sit in silence like all of them you COWARD!

Anonymous said...

Amanda Please finish what YOU and You alone started Place the plaque, with you father, and perhaps your child, in honour of what Jeffery's life could and should have been like. It is honourable your advocacy for children , your work for oversight and change. Your son will be very proud of you, your parents I am sure are now.

Take care of yourself, work at school, and finish this when you and you alone, and we will join you at that time.
I was so sick last night, I wish I had never watched the show, anyone in the home, and as so many experts have said , it TOOK years for Jeffery to die, the CCAS should have notice him two years before he died.
So many of us are proud of what you have done Amanda a true child advocate.
Do this as you planned. and do not risk involvement with this family.
Good luck lets us know when you are finished school, and ready to place the memorial.We will be there.
Michele

Anonymous said...

What exactly should the paternal family have done that they did not do?
Please spell that out clearly before demonizing them further.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone here post if they know why the people in that house of horrors were not criminally charged as well? And can anyone suggest how we might change that as all the people in that house who stood by and did NOTHING AT ALL SHOULD GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL. What can people do to change this?

Anonymous said...

To the last poster: I agree with you, that is why I suggest that you come out on May 17 at the courthouse and support our RALLY becuase there should have been criminal charges laid as agaisnt all of those persons. None of them will pay through a civil judgment, and they belong in jail in any event.

Please confirm you will come out to public rally on May 17!!!!

Anonymous said...

We also need to go in front of the CCAS buildings as well that will make more impact and have shirts made with Jeffrey's beautiful face and say CCAS killed and tortured me!

Anonymous said...

I think we should just wait until Amanda can attend for the plaque intallation. The end of the summer will be good. WE can bring some attention to the case again by having a memorial.

Anonymous said...

I wish I could be there on May 17th and for the park/plaque. I admire what Amanda is doing, and we should all support in some way. Things must change for children. I hope we can all band together in some way to make things better. Tash-please do see to it that the park is named after little Jeffrey. Let's all figure a way to make a positive change. Children deserve nothing less than the best. Some adults seem to have a way of warping this. For all of you in Toronto, please make the biggest noise on May 17th. Let's Make sure the obese thugs (Elva and Norman) cell-mates know all the horrific details of what they did. Those two murderers should be kept in solitary confinement until they die a slow and tortured death. I've e-mailed to your Ontario Premiere some suggestions: twice yearly mandatory check up's with a GP, and regular photo's from the 'child protection agency'.I wish that little Jeffrey were here to see us all in his support. But honestly, I hope he has no memory of his time on earth.

Anonymous said...

Amanda Reed is a manipulator!! People, do you not see where Amanda has posted a blog under ANONYMOUS??? She is one twisted woman who is using Jeffrey's death for personal reasons. I know what she does and she is pretty good at manipulating people's thoughts.

All I have to say is karma. Time to buck up and re-route your ideas as this is all gone stale now!

Anonymous said...

maybe in the begining amanda reed had a good idea to make ppl accountable. now it seems she is using this for personal and financial gain. does she add this to her resume? maybe all the time she has spent with her vibrator in her mouth chipping teeth has caused some brain damage. she should be ashamed of herself trying to make a name for herself from someone else's tragedy. Let us look into amanda reed and her family to expose the fraud she is.