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Although we endeavor to ensure that the information is as current and accurate as possible, errors do occasionally occur. Therefore, we cannot guarantee the accuracy of the information. Readers should where possible verify the information before acting on it. <BR/><BR/>Copyright information: © Queen's Printer for Ontario, 2005Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148877623029659932006-05-28T23:40:00.000-05:002006-05-28T23:40:00.000-05:00John, I apologize to you and others of which I hav...John, I apologize to you and others of which I have also lost my temper. I think it is wonderful that you are helping out here, and I do hope that you can get your nephews out of care.<BR/><BR/>The magnitude of suffering that Jeffrey endured along with the response of the CCAS has really just been too much. They have been nothing but deceitful, arrogant and totally callous with this whole thing. But then again they have always been like this.<BR/><BR/>Secret organizations is absolutely correct by what Christie Blatchford said - and it is always nine times out of ten their secrets not anyone else's.<BR/><BR/>I sincerely hope that the CCAS will be held to account finally in this horrifying case. <BR/><BR/>Good luck on Tuesday and thanks for your good thoughts. I will be there in spirit for that beautiful little boy. And I also anticipate the inquiry with eagerness as they need to explain precisely how this nightmare was allowed to happen. And if this was a stunt for funding or done on purpose I want them in jail along with the murderers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148643160630649372006-05-26T06:32:00.000-05:002006-05-26T06:32:00.000-05:00I personally believe this blog should be shut down...I personally believe this blog should be shut down and reopened under a different title.<BR/><BR/>That might get rid of those who have chose to sabotage this blog and use it for personal attacks on persons they know nothing about.<BR/><BR/>In its current format it is a waste of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148601351221358712006-05-25T18:55:00.000-05:002006-05-25T18:55:00.000-05:00That is a pile of bs--NOT ONCE did I criticize the...That is a pile of bs--NOT ONCE did I criticize the paternal family on this blog or anywhere else.<BR/><BR/>Once again you need to face the reality that there is other persons posting who do not agree with you. There is someone or more criticizing the paternal family but it isnt me. I wholeheartedly sympathize with their plight. Anyone attending any of the memorials for Jeffrey knows their pain....I was there were you? I do not know the paternal family whereas the person posting derogatory remarks appears to.<BR/><BR/>Secondly I never defended CAS--only you in your dillusions believe I did. What I have said time and time again is that they underreact not overreact. This is why children are dying in their care. If they overreacted (Jeffrey's siblings being the exception) children would not be drugged in foster care nor would they die--they would be there visiting these homes. I do not agree with you that all foster homes are bad either--obviously children are best with their natural family but this arrangement does not always work for various reasons.<BR/><BR/>Anyone can post on a blog....I doubt if you sat for months in the courtroom or even attended the memorials.<BR/><BR/>I have better things to do than argue with the academically challenged. <BR/><BR/>Friday, May 19, 2006 2:46:59 PM <BR/><BR/>Reply - I think that this poster is right and not connected with CCAS -- maybe people thought that they were and attacked them they thought that they were a social worker or someone in the business. <BR/><BR/>I also agree it is not always possible to keep families together but it is something that we should strive for. And agree that the attack on you is not warranted and that it is wrong.<BR/><BR/>And people have dillusions as well about other people when they think they might be defending something that they clearly are not. Some foster homes are very good yes.<BR/><BR/>You are right anyone can post on a blog and we don't always know who the people are writing. The attacks for questions are wrong, someone asking a question should not be attacked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148218053961421672006-05-21T08:27:00.000-05:002006-05-21T08:27:00.000-05:00Hi I posted Christie's story. When Amanda went ba...Hi <BR/><BR/>I posted Christie's story. When Amanda went back to school I agreed to help keep the blog going so she wouldn't have to shut it down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148201892656419022006-05-21T03:58:00.000-05:002006-05-21T03:58:00.000-05:00Its not to hard to be smarter then the social work...Its not to hard to be smarter then the social workers, they are on par with the evil grandparents, how can we trust them, they take children when they don't need to and let others die, with all the so called training they still act like morons.<BR/><BR/>How else can you explain them giving children to this family!!!!!! <BR/>The Minister lies, about the ombudsman, accuses leader of the NDP of not having a letter from the ombudsman, and he did, they at least respond to the public, unlike the liberals, and sent the letter, Minister Cambers needs to step down or make and official apology to Howard Hampton and the ombudsman. And to the public that understand he have no over sight of the CAS , only the review boards policies. Give us a break, Minister Chambers we are not all as stupid as the social workers.<BR/>Not as corrupt as the liberals, they ousted them federally, do you think for one second, they can win again in Ontario, and NO we wont forget Mike Harris, but the NDP have some refreshing ideas, and are not afraid to represent the people that put them in office, even if its not the most politically correct thing to do, say anything negative about your child head hunters. Why is the public not told they are in fact part of the police forces now? The abuse of children is not all in the past, its much worse today, go speak with the children in care, go speak with the parents, go speak to the foster families that have had it with the workers. That threaten their to remove their children, if they so much as say boo to a 22 year old worker. The foster parents are collecting welfare in a way, for every child, for special needs, and they almost all are to collect even more money. I am so angry, I have put the picture of Jeffery right above this screen, to remind me, not that I can ever forget, that the agency once again got away with murder. <BR/> The CCAS and CAS is so incredibly corrupt, those refusing to see it, are dim wits or to just don't care.<BR/>I cannot CANNOT believe any one with an IQ over 80 does not get that.<BR/><BR/>Jeffery, like all other inquiry's only gives them more power and more money to keep on making tragic mistakes. But are they errors? This is a very large organization, and the government has no right to keep turning them lose on parents and children, given there past HISTORY of abuse, you know what they say. History repeats itself. I read on Dufferin Voca, that at one time the Gestapo threatened people with fines and jail for not turning in the Jews. they threaten the schools and doctors, and every one else. for MAY BE neglect may be abuse in the future, crystal ball seers, all knowing insane, how can anyone know who might be at risk, for god sakes that is every child. Parents should sue for the false allegations, and abuse. Its hate crimes against families.<BR/><BR/>Have we changed the name yet, like they did the Red Cross, after hep C, that the government waited till most had died to settle with, like the aboriginals, are they to be called child well-being and protection agencies, because to say the word aid means nothing to anyone any more, and the publics lack of trust. Well you need to change the players as well. And like Dalton will not pay for autism funding for children over six, as they are looking into gong after the vaccine manufactures, for personal injury, OH Hello!!! how did I find that one out, lawyers in Health Canada telling secrets?? well tell the public, they have a right to know. For those that believe anything this government tell you, get over it. They legislate so poorly they don't even understand most of what they legislate is not legal.<BR/>I hope Dalton did not give up his little law office, he will have to go back to it soon. <BR/>And Chambers needs to answer, for her lies.<BR/>tell Jimmy Watson its time to ban smoking, its ok to take wine to a bar, what a waste of time, you people have to spend, but smoking in a house, ( although I do agree ) if children are in it, will be new reason to remove them, and smoking in cars too, well clean up the bloody air pollution, its killing us all, and child abuse, and one large polluter just gave Hamilton CAS a few bucks, it should of went to cutting the emissions, and really protecting children, duh. I hear people who become advocates for CAS change also are at risk of CAS and police harassment, what's that all about? We are the nanny state, but few of us, have out grown the need.<BR/>Mom and dad are the experts minister Chambers, perhaps you can chum around Harper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148177879068986822006-05-20T21:17:00.000-05:002006-05-20T21:17:00.000-05:00Christie Blatchford's article was not posted but c...Christie Blatchford's article was not posted but cut and pasted from the Globe and Mail newspaper by an outside source (maybe Amanda?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148158619871104662006-05-20T15:56:00.000-05:002006-05-20T15:56:00.000-05:00To the abusive poster that has said that this blog...To the abusive poster that has said that this blog has went to the "dogs" - it is no wonder that the victims of the CAS have such difficulty speaking, and many have posted on this blog who were in the "care" of the 53 CAS agencies of Ontario.<BR/><BR/>But you have a problem with that don't you, you cannot stand that people with actual experience with the CAS are talking can you, you cannot stand the mere idea that the very people who were in care of the CAS might be smarter then you, you cannot handle the truth.<BR/><BR/>What is your solution to this nightmare, let me guess take more children for others under the guise of child protection to provide products for infertile couples? Haven't we already done that though? <BR/><BR/>If the CAS is such a wonderful organization then why is it cloaked in protection by everything from the Freedom of Information and Privacy laws, to the government and well maybe the Queen herself that keep it that way?<BR/><BR/>The 53 CAS agencies have done an outstanding job in such propoganda and lies that it is mind blowing overall, and once again no one that was in the care of such an agency and most who have had any connection with them at all support them in the the future, but yes no one supports child abuse either again we need to look no further for child abuse then the people that the CAS gives children to not just in the past but today as well. Elva was a foster mother wasn't she??? <BR/><BR/>And at every corner we are attacked be it on this blog or elsewhere. The CAS loves keeping the victims silent though as the silence simply gives them more power. Many people could not go to the rally as they literally could not sit and listen to another horror story involving CCAS, and they could not sit through a trial discussing a little boy who was so abused.<BR/><BR/>Can rape victims sit at rape trials easily - no - nor can the victims of the CAS sit and listen to the greatest failure of all time with that agency after they were also failed.<BR/><BR/>No this is not about "me" this is about a little boy that was failed so hugely there are barely words to describe his pain and no people posting are not here for themselves. Like one of the articles that Christie Blatchford posted if anything it indeed is about the CCAS. <BR/><BR/>And be careful here stop abusing people who already were abused we don't deserve it. Jeffrey didn't deserve any of this and the CCAS is responsible for this so don't be surprised, angry, hostile or shocked that the primary victims of that agency have shared their experiences the best way they can. Why would we not want to be anonymous, after all the system made us anonymous, numbers and bodies, head counts for funding, our heads sold by agencies that never gave a damn and that still do not. <BR/><BR/>I have a neighbor who is a single mother and a good one at that, a wonderful person and she could not go to the trial as she could not stomach it, why because her mother was in the care of the CAS and abused so horribly by the so called "safe" and "loving" system that she literally could not sit through it.<BR/><BR/>If you want information about CAS start listening to the victims and yes we do count more then you think we do for the most part as we do not want what happened to us to happen to other children ever.<BR/><BR/>But the CAS is NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO US, AND IS NOT GOING TO WANT ANYONE TO LISTEN TO US FOR ONE REASON - LITIGATION. <BR/><BR/>And to the media thank you for listening to the victims of the CAS for the story of "J", the story of John Dunn, the crown wards, and the most heartbreaking, searing painful documentary ever made "Failing Jeffrey".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148151207213168482006-05-20T13:53:00.000-05:002006-05-20T13:53:00.000-05:00Well,I think the bottom line is this.The cas and t...Well,<BR/>I think the bottom line is this.<BR/>The cas and the ccas only goes after single women that are uneducated.For reasons we all know.<BR/>They tend to all be on welfare.If these women are being abused that is another bonus for the cas.Most of these women are single mothers.Can you guess why the cas goes after these women?<BR/>Uneducated-Does not understand her rights as a parent or as a person.Also does not understand the family law act.<BR/>welfare-cannot afford to hire lawyer therefore has to apply for one,which takes time.So the womans children remain in care for that period of time.Most of the lawyers are on the side of the cas.<BR/>As for the abused woman,well hey! she has already been beaten down physically and emotionally in front of her children.She already feels like an unfit parent.<BR/>The single mother,you know the saying there is strength in numbers?That is so so very true.What could be better to the cas then a single mother on welfare? She has no family members to help her,no father for her children,she is like a walking target for the cas.The topping on the cake for the cas is when they take her children almost 100% of the time the children are delayed in some aspect.So the cas next step is their all time favorite assesment of the child!! Oh yes what could be better then that?Do you want to know why all of these kids have either learning disabilities or other emotional problems? Can you guess? Well first of all,what child would not have some emotional trauma considering the fact they were ripped away for their mother? Hmm.lets ponder that thought.Okay,the main reason why the assesment is done,and keep in mind that the doctor is the cas doctor.The cas gets more money on the Child tax credit.There is a special little claus at revenue canada.That states if a child is in care and also has a developmental problem they are intitled to an extra thousand dollars.The ccas and the cas does not want to be overseen by any goverment official for more reasons then that.We will never know the full extent of what is really going on.The public has never went against them. Well not the important ones anyway.It`s usally the people that are already dealing with them.What chance do they have?They have already been proven unfit to take care of their own children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148130072199664672006-05-20T08:01:00.000-05:002006-05-20T08:01:00.000-05:00I would be interested in creating an informal grou...I would be interested in creating an informal group to discuss ways to proceed like other on this site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148092594681888552006-05-19T21:36:00.000-05:002006-05-19T21:36:00.000-05:00Maverick Ruffo resigns from bench View Larger Ima...Maverick Ruffo resigns from bench <BR/>View Larger Image<BR/> When judges are silent, Quebec Youth Court Judge Andree Ruffo said yesterday, they are "always on the side of the power." <BR/>Photograph by : RYAN REMIORZ, CP <BR/>Article Tools<BR/> Printer friendly<BR/> E-mail<BR/> Font: * * * * KAZI STASTNA; KEVIN DOUGHERTY of The Gazette Quebec Bureau contributed to this report, The Gazette<BR/>Published: Friday, May 19, 2006 <BR/>Almost 20 years after she took her first shot from the bench at what she sees as Quebec's grossly inadequate child welfare system, Judge Andree Ruffo's prolonged and very public battle with the province's youth protection services ended yesterday where it began: in the courts.<BR/><BR/>After Canada's top court decided not to hear her appeal of a Quebec Court of Appeal ruling recommending she be removed from the bench, she will lead her crusade for children's rights from outside the justice system.<BR/><BR/>Rather than wait to be dismissed from Youth Court by Quebec's justice minister, the only one with authority to remove a judge, Ruffo, 63, resigned yesterday morning.<BR/><BR/>"It's finished for me in the sense that I am no longer a judge," she said. "But what I want to make sure everybody understands is that I am going to continue - with more energy and certainly more freedom."<BR/><BR/>Ruffo has long been known for her strident public criticisms, uncompromising judgments and unorthodox courtroom manner.<BR/><BR/>The Supreme Court decision reflects a reluctance to challenge child protection authorities, Ruffo said. "They obviously want to protect the institution. There is nothing I can do about that," she said.<BR/><BR/>Even if the high court had agreed to hear her case and ruled in her favour, she would not have returned to the bench, Ruffo said from her home yesterday.<BR/><BR/>"I don't believe that at Youth Court judges can any longer be independent and render judgments according to children's rights and interests," she said. "I think the department of youth protection is so powerful, it has come to almost dictate the judgments."<BR/><BR/>Ruffo, who worked in youth courts in St. Jerome and Longueuil, has spent more than<BR/><BR/>$1 million in taxpayers' funds fighting the sanctions brought against her over the years.<BR/><BR/>These include a forced transfer from her jurisdiction and more than 100 complaints from youth protection workers and judges lodged with the Quebec Judicial Council, which reprimanded Ruffo 12 times.<BR/><BR/>Only seven charges of breach of judicial ethics made it before the five-judge panel, which in 2005 found Ruffo's laudable commitment to child advocacy did not justify her behaviour in court.<BR/><BR/>That panel criticized Ruffo for overstepping her bounds by aggressively pursuing certain youth centres and employees, publicly commenting on cases, accepting paid speaking engagements, appearing in a Via Rail commercial, and calling into question her impartiality by meeting and not disclosing a personal relationship with a witness.<BR/><BR/>In one high-profile incident in 1988, Ruffo ordered two teenagers for whom there was no place in foster care to be brought to the office of the health and social services minister.<BR/><BR/>Ruffo said yesterday she did not regret any of her tactics. She said many of the alleged incidents of improper behaviour were misportrayed by youth protection workers angry over her exposure of their mistakes.<BR/><BR/>The majority of Youth Court judges have got used to blindly following the recommendations of the youth protection department and making judgments based on what resources exist in the system rather than children's well-being, Ruffo said.<BR/><BR/>The Association des centres<BR/><BR/>jeunesse du Quebec, which represents the province's youth protection services, refused to comment yesterday.<BR/><BR/>Ruffo remained adamant that the vocal defence of children in and outside the courtroom was part of her professional duty.<BR/><BR/>"Judges are not to be silent - for me, that's very clear."<BR/><BR/>It's not about judges being mute, she added. "It's about speaking about the rights of the children who are in front of them. When you're silent, you're always on the side of the power."<BR/><BR/>Her approach might have polarized her colleagues and made her an enemy of youth protection officials, but Ruffo said she's confident the public and parents - and the lawyers, psychologists, social workers and others working with children - are on her side.<BR/><BR/>The former judge said she is convinced her 20 years on the bench have raised public awareness and indignation about the failings of the child protection system that will soon force much-needed institutional reform.<BR/><BR/>Ruffo said she is not sure what form her activism will take now, but she will continue working with Magicians Without Borders, a Vermont-based organization that performs magic shows for kids in troubled parts of the world, and work on her ninth book. She has also given the nod to a Quebec production company that wants to make a film about her career.<BR/><BR/>One thing she will not do is enter politics - even though she has been solicited to run for office at various levels of government, she said. She noted she's been urged to campaign for office by her critics, who see it as a vocation more suited to her activism.<BR/><BR/>"It's another way (to effect change), but it's not my place. It's not home," she said.<BR/><BR/>In Quebec City, Justice Minister Yvon Marcoux declined to comment on Ruffo's decision.<BR/><BR/>But Mario Dumont, leader of Action democratique du Quebec, said he learned of her resignation "with great sadness."<BR/><BR/>Dumont said he spoke to Ruffo by telephone yesterday, calling her a symbol in the battle to correct the flaws in Quebec's youth protection system. "I think kids lost an important ally," he added.<BR/><BR/>He suggested someone had amassed a file on her because of her outspoken views.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148090956096790512006-05-19T21:09:00.000-05:002006-05-19T21:09:00.000-05:00Crown wants 25 years in Baldwin caseMay 19, 2006. ...Crown wants 25 years in Baldwin case<BR/>May 19, 2006. 06:31 PM<BR/>CANADIAN PRESS<BR/><BR/>The two grandmothers of Jeffrey Baldwin exchanged withering looks and harsh words today as prosecutors urged a judge to throw the book at the two people convicted of starving the five-year-old boy to death in 2002. <BR/>Paternal grandmother Susan Dimitriadis delivered an emotional victim impact statement about the “agonizing pain” caused by Elva Bottineau and Norman Kidman, both of whom were convicted last month of second-degree murder. <BR/><BR/>“I will never understand all that Jeffrey suffered, but I know it was horrendous,” Dimitriadis told Superior Court Justice David Watt. <BR/><BR/>“Elva Bottineau and Norman Kidman must be held accountable for their abusive actions ...I hope and pray that they are punished to the fullest extent of the law.” <BR/><BR/>When she was finished, Dimitriadis stepped down from the witness stand and looked hard at Bottineau, who muttered a profanity as Dimitriadis walked by. <BR/><BR/>The comment was pointed out by one of the prosecutors to Superior Court Justice David Watt, who urged Bottineau to “keep your mouth shut.” <BR/><BR/>Weeks shy of his sixth birthday at the time of his death, Jeffrey’s emaciated body weighed the same as he did on his first birthday: a mere 21 pounds. <BR/><BR/>Kidman and Bottineau, both 54, were supposed to save Jeffrey and his three siblings from suspected abuse at the hands of their birth parents. Instead, the children were used as a source of income as the couple collected government support cheques in their names. <BR/><BR/>Jeffrey and one of his sisters were confined to a dank, fetid room, where the boy was forced to eat out of a bowl with his fingers and drink from a toilet when he was thirsty. <BR/><BR/>A second-degree murder conviction comes with an automatic life sentence. Today, prosecutor Bev Richards described the pair as “completely bankrupt of morality” and urged Watt to ensure they both spend 25 years behind bars before becoming eligible for parole. <BR/><BR/>“They effectively tortured a five year old until his death,” Richards said in her arguments. “They showed a callous indifference to Jeffrey’s suffering.” <BR/><BR/>Nothing less than the maximum sentence would sufficiently represent society’s abhorrence of “a cruel, sadistic crime, undefinably brutal and inhuman,” she added. <BR/><BR/>Bottineau’s lawyer, Nick Xynnis, asked Watt to set parole eligibility at 12 to 14 years for his client on the grounds that her impoverished background, diminished intelligence and emotional immaturity were a “recipe for tragedy.” <BR/><BR/>Bottineau has a Grade 8 education, an IQ of 69, was “wholly unqualified to raise children” and should not have been taking care of Jeffrey and his siblings in the first place, Xynnis said. <BR/><BR/>Kidman’s lawyers did not seek a specific sentence, but said their client deserves consideration since he has some prospects of rehabilitation, has accepted some responsibility for his actions and had a lesser role in Jeffrey’s death. <BR/><BR/>Lawyer Bob Richardson painted a picture of Kidman as a man who stood idly by and let Bottineau slowly kill Jeffrey, but who was not the main perpetrator. <BR/><BR/>Dimitriadis, however, disagreed. <BR/><BR/>“I wanted to be there for him,” she said, choking back tears. “I wanted to hug him and kiss him...and give him my homemade cookies to enjoy.” <BR/><BR/>“I will especially remember his great, big, beautiful smile. Elva Bottineau and Norman Kidman have taken all that away from us.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148086700956516812006-05-19T19:58:00.000-05:002006-05-19T19:58:00.000-05:00And the only reason why this pro-CAS nutjob does n...And the only reason why this pro-CAS nutjob does not like this blog is because in reading the various articles about foster care and adoption it is quite obvious that strangers are indeed abusive.<BR/><BR/>And all those dead and tortured children along with Jeffrey count baby broker from hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148083141041721262006-05-19T18:59:00.000-05:002006-05-19T18:59:00.000-05:00The Toronto CCAS should have been on trial, along ...The Toronto CCAS should have been on trial, along with the murderers, they are just as responsible.<BR/><BR/>What will happen to the Toronto CCAS? Nothing - an inquiry that will bury their responsibility in this horror. <BR/><BR/>Minister Chambers pretended that the victims of child welfare is all in the past? Just a nightmare that was 30, 40, or 50 years ago?<BR/><BR/>I don't think so - as long as we have children destroyed like Jeffrey was, children so drugged that it is enough to kill a small horse, and loving mothers like Erika that had her baby stolen for an infertile couple,<BR/>along with the 300 complaints made to Andre Marin a caring, intillegent man - has it changed NO IT HAS NOT. And the complaints about the CAS are only those that he has heard. <BR/><BR/>How can such a dysfunctional system ever repair itself if they refuse to even look at the past? But in truth it is not just the past is it really - yes Minister Chambers try and lie and say it was 30, 40, 50 years ago. No I think it is every bit as evil as it was back then.<BR/><BR/>And I think that the government has to rein them in one way or another.<BR/><BR/>If Jeffrey Baldwin cannot change a system that is corrupt, unaccountable and evil then what will - the only thing left is class action, and it will happen if you do not put them in line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148080358916707102006-05-19T18:12:00.000-05:002006-05-19T18:12:00.000-05:00How much are you for sale? How much is someone tha...How much are you for sale? How much is someone that you love for sale?<BR/><BR/>Price figures on wee babies - innocent, precious, beautiful. Do they deserve to be bought and sold? I don't think so!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148079962066607892006-05-19T18:06:00.000-05:002006-05-19T18:06:00.000-05:00Anyone reading this blog - PLEASE GET YOUR FAMILY ...Anyone reading this blog - PLEASE GET YOUR FAMILY OUT OF FOSTER CARE AND ADOPTION. It is child abuse like you have never seen before.<BR/><BR/>Strangers are 1000 times more dangerous, listen to the victims - I think we are educated, we live it every single day.<BR/><BR/>The so called "experts" that the Minister is working with had a motto "adoption is the price of a car, it could be a luxury sedan, or a compact model".<BR/><BR/>No I am not angry that the government is working with that type of callous disregard with children I am ENRAGED. If anyone actually loves children then I think the first point of order would be that they NOT BE BOUGHT AND SOLD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148079682791576392006-05-19T18:01:00.000-05:002006-05-19T18:01:00.000-05:00And it is not you John that I despise it is the ba...And it is not you John that I despise it is the baby broker from hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148079205242677202006-05-19T17:53:00.000-05:002006-05-19T17:53:00.000-05:00John you are obviously a loving, caring man - why ...John you are obviously a loving, caring man - why is the Ontario government paying strangers to care for your nephews. If you and you wife and children need a bit of money to help raise your nephews then why not you? Why the stranger, do children want to be raised with strangers?<BR/><BR/>Please John research this and contact those who were in the care of the CAS, we need to look no further for child abuse then the homes they sent, and send children to.<BR/><BR/>No not all are bad, or unsafe but overall most of them were and are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148078867006405122006-05-19T17:47:00.000-05:002006-05-19T17:47:00.000-05:00And the other thing is pro-CAS screw off people kn...And the other thing is pro-CAS screw off people know who you are. <BR/><BR/>John GET YOUR NEPHEWS OUT OF FOSTER CARE PLEASE!!!! They have a 1000 times more of a chance of being abused with total strangers then you.<BR/><BR/>Put your heart and time into your own family as well, and once again I give you huge credit for the signs and your efforts. <BR/><BR/>I also cry for Jeffrey constantly it breaks my heart, so does the thousands of other child abuse victims sent to "care" by the 53 CAS agencies of Ontario.<BR/><BR/>Get them out PLEASE JOHN, GET THEM OUT!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148078317962770942006-05-19T17:38:00.000-05:002006-05-19T17:38:00.000-05:00Please John - get them out of care, children don't...Please John - get them out of care, children don't want to be with strangers, and if they have a loving uncle like you then trust that they will be happy to be with you their natural, loving uncle then strangers.<BR/><BR/>Please listen to the victims of the CAS, foster care is dangerous and so is adoption. Honestly and truly be there for your nephews, get them out of so called "care" ....... please listen and stop the abuse of children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18672887.post-1148078134865048442006-05-19T17:35:00.000-05:002006-05-19T17:35:00.000-05:00You're a real work of art pro-CAS, and about as un...You're a real work of art pro-CAS, and about as uneducated as they come. Your so called support for John is a lie. If you supported him then why are you so angry at the mere suggestion that this caring man take his nephews in rather then having them live with total strangers.<BR/><BR/>And no I don't believe a word you say you are obviously invested in destroying families, and if you are not a baby broker then why do you sound just like them?<BR/><BR/>Ignore the pro-CAS please to the family of Jeffrey, and to Susan and her family - and please John get them out of care, don't just stand up for Jeffrey (which I credit you greatly for) please stand up for your nephews and show and give them the love that is in your heart for Jeffrey to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com